Journalist Meghan Daum interviewed former New York Times opinion columnist Pamela Paul on the Friday episode of her podcast, “The Unspeakeasy,” the conversation appearing under the provocative rubric “How To Get Fired from the New York Times.”
Paul became a New York Times opinion columnist after nearly a decade running the paper’s Book Review. She was fired by Opinion editor Kathleen Kingsbury in January 2025 and now writes for The Wall Street Journal.
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